托德:瑪麗安,我們來談?wù)劷逃?,重點(diǎn)討論一下好老師和壞老師的特質(zhì)。我是名老師,這對我來說非常重要,我要記筆記。你認(rèn)為好老師的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)是什么?
Marianne: I have no idea. No, I'm kidding. Okay, so I have to remember like when I was in junior high school or high school for example, my good teachers, how were they. I think a good teacher has to be strict. Insisting sometimes because you can be lazy, or as a student it could be difficult to understand what the teacher is talking about. So the teacher really have to insist on very important things. And yes, the teacher has to be strict. But at the same time, the teacher-student relationship should be kind of equal or respectful. So the teach is not – of course, he is or she is superior because he has or she has knowledge. But it could be nice if the teacher can interact with the student. So if the student is able to give his opinion or her opinion about the subject the teacher is talking about, I think it's nice. Because I think the teacher, his responsibility or her responsibility is to raise critical thinking of the student. So it's very important this time of interaction of exchange between teachers and students. So yes, it could be my definition like the teacher being strict but at the same time being open to talk about subjects.
瑪麗安:我不知道。我開個(gè)玩笑。我還記得我上初中還是高中時(shí)遇到的優(yōu)秀老師。我認(rèn)為好老師一定要很嚴(yán)格。而且還要堅(jiān)持,因?yàn)閷W(xué)生可能很懶,或者很難理解老師的話。這時(shí)老師必須要求學(xué)生做一些非常重要的事情。老師一定要嚴(yán)格。不過同時(shí),老師和學(xué)生的關(guān)系應(yīng)該是平等的,是互相尊重的。雖然老師處于更高級別,因?yàn)槔蠋熢趥魇谥R。但是如果老師能和學(xué)生良好互動(dòng)的話會(huì)產(chǎn)生不錯(cuò)的效果。如果學(xué)生能對老師講授的課程提出自己的看法,也會(huì)產(chǎn)生良好的效果。我認(rèn)為老師的責(zé)任是培養(yǎng)學(xué)生的批判性思維。所以,老師和學(xué)生的互動(dòng)和交流非常重要。我認(rèn)為好老師就是既要嚴(yán)格,又可以接受學(xué)生對課程的意見。
Todd: All right. Those are some good points. But going back to being strict, can you be specific? Do you mean like making sure they do their home work.
托德:好。這是不錯(cuò)的觀點(diǎn)。說回嚴(yán)格,你能具體解釋一下嗎?你的意思是老師要確保學(xué)生完成作業(yè)嗎?
Marianne: Yes.
瑪麗安:對。
Todd: Making sure they're on time to class.
托德:確保學(xué)生按時(shí)上課。
Marianne: Yes. And punish them if they are late for example, like...
瑪麗安:對。如果學(xué)生遲到,要接受處罰,比如……
Todd: Oh, punishment. Okay.
托德:哦,處罰。好。
Marianne: I mean, like say something like, you know, like you have an appointment. It's very important. For example, you have English class at 2:00 so be here at 2:00 and not 2:05. So it's very important because you have to show respect for the person who would deliver you content about English. And it's very important because it helps you in your life to – even for yourself, for the student, it's not only to show respect to teacher but it's also for the student to – for him or her to be able to keep her schedule. It's very important in life because otherwise you can spend your life being always late and not doing things on time. But if you are always behaving this way, then you can never build anything in life. So you have to have also for yourself some strict attitude or strict capacity or I don't know how to say.
瑪麗安:我的意思是說,這就像約定一樣,非常重要。比如,英語課是2點(diǎn)開始,所以你要在2點(diǎn)到這里,而不應(yīng)該在2點(diǎn)05分才來。這非常重要,因?yàn)槟阋騻魇谟⒄Z知識的那個(gè)人展現(xiàn)尊重。而且這對你的生活甚至你本人都有幫助,所以非常重要,作為學(xué)生,你不僅要向老師展現(xiàn)尊重,你還要能執(zhí)行計(jì)劃。這在生活中非常重要,除非你能一直過著可以隨意遲到或不用準(zhǔn)時(shí)的生活。但是,如果你要一直這樣生活,那你一生將一事無成。你要有嚴(yán)謹(jǐn)?shù)膽B(tài)度和嚴(yán)謹(jǐn)?shù)哪芰?,我也不知道?yīng)該如何說明。
Todd: No, that's perfect. Sounds good. How about some bad things? Have you had some bad teachers in the past?
托德:你說得很好。聽上去不錯(cuò)。那不好的特質(zhì)呢?你以前有沒有遇上過不好的老師?
Marianne: Yes. Like for example, a teacher who are just strict and that's it, like there is no communication possible with them. It's terrible. For example, I remember when I was in junior high school, I had an art teacher actually, she was our art teacher and nobody liked her. She was just terrible like a very strict woman and very angry every time we went to attend her class. And I remembered I was really terrified by her. And for me, she didn't teach me anything. So this kind of strict attitude was not really helpful for me.
瑪麗安:有。舉個(gè)例子,有的老師非常嚴(yán)格,但是卻沒法溝通。這非常糟糕。我記得我上初中時(shí),有一個(gè)藝術(shù)老師,她教我們藝術(shù)課程,但是沒有學(xué)生喜歡她。她太糟糕了,她非常嚴(yán)格,我們每次上她的課,她都在生氣。我記得當(dāng)時(shí)我非常怕她。我認(rèn)為,她什么都沒有教我。這種嚴(yán)格的態(tài)度對我沒有幫助。
Todd: Yeah. I like that. So strict but not too strict.
托德:嗯,我也喜歡這樣,要嚴(yán)格,但不要過于嚴(yán)格。
Marianne: Yeah. Strict, it means in the sense that making the other responsible. Like an adult has to show teenagers that they will become future responsible adults, too. So they are not just like kids and you just don't say to your kids for example, "Don't eat this," and that's it. If you can just say to your children, "Don't eat this because you can be sick if you eat too much of this." Like you have to give them a reason or you have to make them responsible. They have to understand actually.
瑪麗安:對。嚴(yán)格,在這種意義上來說就是教導(dǎo)他人負(fù)責(zé)。成年人應(yīng)該告訴青年人,他們未來也會(huì)成為負(fù)責(zé)任的大人。他們不能只是向?qū)⒆幽菢?,不能跟孩子說:“不要吃這個(gè)”。你可以跟孩子說:“不要吃這個(gè),如果你吃太多的話會(huì)生病的。”你要給他們理由,或讓他們自己承擔(dān)責(zé)任。他們一定要明白這一點(diǎn)。
Todd: No, I totally agree. Very, very good points.
托德:我完全同意你的觀點(diǎn)。你說得非常好。