實(shí)戰(zhàn)口語情景對(duì)話：Salary Caps 工資上限

Todd: So Greg in the last one we were talking about minimum wage, and this is one of the topics in your book and it's about income disparity. One of the chapters is about income disparity. Now the opposite would be should there the a salary cap, which would mean that basically you could only earn so much, like let's say you can only earn five million dollars, ten million dollars. Nobody could earn more than that. What do you think about that concept?

托德：格雷格，上期我們談?wù)摿俗畹凸べY，你書中提到的一個(gè)問題是收入差距。你書中有一章專門講述了收入差距。今天我們要談的是相反的話題，應(yīng)該設(shè)定工資上限嗎?工資上限是指限定人們只能掙這么多錢，假設(shè)說只能掙500萬美元或1000萬美元。沒有人的工資能超過這個(gè)限定。你怎么看這個(gè)概念?

Greg: I personally agree with a salary cap. I'm not sure how much it should be, but definitely the discrepancy in wages is way to great. There's too many people who have to ... a husband and a wife work hard forty hours or more, both of them. They're barely, barely getting by, and then you got all these other people who are just buying Rolls-Royce cars and Mercedes, and country clubs and it's just not fair.

格雷格：我個(gè)人同意設(shè)定工資上限。我不能確定限額應(yīng)該設(shè)定多少，但是我認(rèn)為工資差異這一問題太嚴(yán)重了。有許多人……有的家庭夫妻兩人可能都要工作40個(gè)小時(shí)以上。這樣他們還只是勉強(qiáng)糊口而已，可是也有人能買得起勞斯萊斯和奔馳，去鄉(xiāng)村俱樂部享樂，這太不公平了。

Todd: But, well, for one, though I mean, Mercedes and Rolls-Royce and those are products that provide jobs, so I would argue with that. Actually, as you can probably tell, I'm against the idea mainly because, you know, I think that hurts innovation. You know, you look at people like the CEO of a very powerful internet company or software company, and you know, take google for example, I'm sure that they make more than ten million, but they're service is used so much around the world, that they should get that money, and if people couldn't ... hang on ... if people couldn't get ... couldn't earn that salary then maybe they wouldn't have the same motivation and drive to be successful and that people would lose out as a result.

托德：首先，奔馳和勞斯萊斯是產(chǎn)品，這些產(chǎn)品會(huì)提供工作崗位，所以對(duì)這個(gè)問題持不同看法。實(shí)際上，我并不同意這個(gè)觀點(diǎn)，因?yàn)槲艺J(rèn)為工資上限會(huì)損害創(chuàng)新性。你看，像強(qiáng)大的互聯(lián)網(wǎng)公司或軟件公司的首席執(zhí)行官，比如谷歌公司吧，我確定他們的工資超過1000萬美元，可是全世界都在使用他們的服務(wù)，他們應(yīng)該得到這筆工資，如果他們不能……等一下，讓我說完，如果他們不能掙到這么多錢，那他們可能不會(huì)這么有動(dòng)力，不會(huì)成功，他們最終可能會(huì)失敗。

Greg: I think that there's not proof to say that these people are making these products because they're making such tremendous amounts of money. What came first: the product and then they got the money in most cases. There's ... these people could be ... society can have all sorts of wonderful products and still have a fair income system, and I have nothing against people becoming rich or making a good salary, a very good salary, but not such an incredible gap. You have executives of some major international corporations that are making more money than millions of people in the world make combined. The opposite side of not having a cap is that you have people who are making too little, and those people are also working hard. Those people deserve validation. Those people deserve a good life standard which millions of people across the world are not having.

格雷格：我認(rèn)為沒有證據(jù)表明因?yàn)樗麄儝甑腻X很多，就說明是他們制造了這些產(chǎn)品。想一下，是先有的產(chǎn)品還是他們大部分情況下先掙到了錢。這些人……這個(gè)社會(huì)既可以有各種出色的產(chǎn)品，也可以有公平的工資體系，我并不反對(duì)人們變得富有，也不反對(duì)他們有不錯(cuò)的收入，我反對(duì)的是如此大的工資差距。主要互聯(lián)網(wǎng)公司執(zhí)行官的工資比世界上數(shù)百萬人的工資總合還要多。沒有工資上限就會(huì)造成有的人工作非常努力，可是掙得特別少。而這些人值得獲得認(rèn)可。這些人值得擁有好的生活標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，可是世界上數(shù)百萬人都享受不到這種生活標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。

Todd: Well, I think ... well, I agree with you about that. I agree with you about that. That there's people who work hard and that they're under compensated, but ... and they're a lot of people that get grossly overpaid but I think that's just a problem of management and that in some cases so people do deserve millions and millions, perhaps billions of dollars if they have really contributed to the product or the outcome. So, basically we're gonna disagree on this one.

托德：我認(rèn)為……這方面我同意你的觀點(diǎn)。我同意你的看法。有些人工作努力，可是掙的很少，也有很多人收入過高，不過我認(rèn)為這只是管理問題，在某些情況下，如果有人對(duì)產(chǎn)品或成果的貢獻(xiàn)很大，那他們就值得獲得數(shù)百萬美元甚至數(shù)十億美元的收入。所以基本上來說，我們兩人在這個(gè)問題上持不同看法。

Greg: Yeah.

格雷格：對(duì)。