托德:大家好,今天我要和弗雷德里克聊聊。弗雷德里克,你是在加拿大念的大學(xué)?
Fred: That's right, Todd.
弗雷德:是的,托德。
Todd: OK, and you have very strong views about universities in Canada. Can you please explain?
托德:好,那你很了解加拿大的大學(xué)。你能介紹一下嗎?
Fred: OK, well, let me just give you a general idea of how education works in Canada. We don't have private universities in Canada. They're all public. Now what that means is that the universities are owned by the government, so there is the Ministry of Education that's in charge of creating the curriculum for the universities and so there's not much room for flexibility and since it's a government operated institution, things don't move very fast. If you want something to be done then their workers do not have so much incentive to help you because he's a worker for the government, and so I think it's not very efficient, however there are certain advantages of public universities, such as the fees being free, you don't have to pay for your education and so it's open for everybody and that's also one of Canada's main idea is to provide free education to everybody, but the system is slow. It is inefficient and does not work that well.
弗雷德:我來介紹一下加拿大的教育情況。加拿大沒有私立大學(xué),全是公立大學(xué)。這表明所有大學(xué)都是政府運(yùn)營(yíng)的,加拿大教育部負(fù)責(zé)大學(xué)課程的設(shè)置,大學(xué)是政府運(yùn)營(yíng)的機(jī)構(gòu),所以靈活空間有限,事情進(jìn)展的速度不會(huì)太快。如果你想做件事,工作人員沒有太大的積極性去幫助你,因?yàn)樗钦ぷ魅藛T,我認(rèn)為這樣就導(dǎo)致效率不太高,不過公立大學(xué)也有優(yōu)點(diǎn),比如學(xué)費(fèi)免費(fèi),你不用交納教育費(fèi)用,公立大學(xué)面向所有人開放,加拿大教育體系的核心內(nèi)容之一就是為所有人提供免費(fèi)教育,不過這種體系效率不高。不僅效率低,而且效果不太好。
Todd: But, yeah, I can see your point but in the United States we have many private universities and I think they're large bureaucracies also and maybe people don't act that much differently because somebody working for a private university, it's the same thing. They get paid for their job. I don't know if they're that much more motivated to help people. Also, we have a problem in the United States that usually only wealthy kids go to the best schools and it's kind of a problem actually.
托德:我明白你的觀點(diǎn),我們美國(guó)有很多私立大學(xué),我認(rèn)為私立大學(xué)也是龐大的官僚機(jī)構(gòu),而且工作人員的行為看起來沒什么不同,因?yàn)闉樗搅⒋髮W(xué)工作沒什么不一樣的。他們通過工作獲得薪水。我不知道他們?cè)谔峁椭鷷r(shí)是否有積極性。美國(guó)的問題是,只有有錢人家的孩子才能去好學(xué)校,這是問題所在。
Fred: I agree with you. I think that it is a problem because you're not giving the same equal access to education to everybody, only a few selected people can go to the best and the others go to the maybe less good universities. I agree with you that it's not easy but having only public universities might not be the best solution. Perhaps providing public university but also private university such as Japan for example where they have a system of private and public universities. Now, in Japan public university are considered to be the best and private universities are considered to be less good than public universities.
弗雷德:我同意你的看法。我認(rèn)為這的確是個(gè)問題,因?yàn)檫@樣沒有讓所有人享有同等的受教育權(quán)利,只有特定的少數(shù)人才能去好學(xué)校,而其他人只能去一般的學(xué)校。我同意你的觀點(diǎn),這個(gè)問題不容易解決,不過我覺得只有公立大學(xué)不設(shè)置私立大學(xué)可能并不是最好的解決方法。也許像日本這種既有公立大學(xué)又有私立大學(xué)的教育體系是種解決方法。日本的公立大學(xué)被認(rèn)為是最好的學(xué)校,而私立大學(xué)則不如公立大學(xué)好。
Todd: Right. It's the exact opposite in the States.
托德:對(duì),這與美國(guó)的情況完全相反。
Fred: So, as you see, it's hard to see which one is better.
弗雷德:可見,很難說哪種體系更好。
Todd: Right, good point.
托德:對(duì),你說的沒錯(cuò)。